SPP the North American Union

CHUCK BALDWIN INTERVIEWS AUTHOR JEROME CORSI ON THE SPP AND THE “NORTH AMERICAN UNION” JUNE 20, 2006

Chuck Baldwin: Ladies and Gentlemen, my special guest today is Jerome Corsi. Many of you have heard him on radio talk shows recently. You have read his articles in prominent magazines and websites. And I’m privileged to have him on my program today. You do not want to miss this interview.

First, by way of introduction: Mr. Corsi received a PhD from Harvard University in political science in 1972, and has written many books and articles including co-authoring with John O’Neil the number one New York Times best-seller, “Unfit For Command, Swift-boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry”. Dr. Corsi’s most recent books include “Black Gold Stranglehold, the myth of scarcity and the politics of oil”, which he co-authored with World Net Daily columnist, Craig R. Smith; and “Atomic Iran: how the terrorist regime bought the bomb and American politicians”.

Dr. Corsi, it’s great to have you on my program today. Thank you for spending these 25 minutes with me today.

Jerome Corsi: Chuck it’s an honor to be with you. Thank you.

CB: Alright, I came across your writings in Human Events and in World Net Daily. And I found your statements and your research absolutely fascinating. I want to start with your most recent article – at least the most recent one that I have read – and that is dated June the 19^th. It appeared in the Human Events Online: “North American Union” would trump U.S. Supreme Court.” Let me just read, folks, by way of introduction, the first sentence of this article: “The Bush administration is pushing to create a North American Union, out of the work on-going in the Dept. of Commerce, under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) in the NAFTA office headed by Jeri Word.”

Now would you elaborate on what you mean by the statement that “the Bush administration is pushing to create a “North American Union”?

JC: Right Chuck. Well, this started really with the meeting in Waco, Texas March, 2005. Pres. Bush met with Vicente Fox, Pres. of Mexico and with Canada’s then Prime Minister, Paul Martin at a meeting at Baylor University. I’ve referenced that in my articles. … At the White House website you can see pictures of them sitting around in the library at Baylor University. They came out of that meeting and they signed – as a joint declaration – the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Amreica. At the time it looked kind of innocuous. You know, we can show we’re all neighbors. Let’s worry about security and let’s worry about prosperity.

But then 2 months later, in May, 2005 the Council on Foreign Relations published this document – a “Task Force” report called “Building a North American Community”. Now that document claimed to be the blueprint behind this SPP, the Security and Prosperity Partnership. What this “Task Force” reported was the plan, was to create a new government: a North American Union: very much like the European Union is a government. In other words NAFTA was going to transform into the Security and Prosperity Partnership which we are in now, and was going to become the North American Union. Now, even that – to me – I said okay, that’s the Council on Foreign Relations.

Then all of a sudden this Dept. of Commerce website kicked up. It’s called SPP.gov. And if you take a look at it you’re going to see how serious this is. Because on that site, on the left there, where it says “report to leaders”, if you click on that you’re going to see the June 2005 report (they’ve been making reports, and planned to every six months after that) there’s some 20 working groups in our dept. of government that has headquartered and housed our Dept. of Commerce. These working groups include all the agencies of the government. If you scroll down you’re going to see the working groups include E Commerce; include Aviation; Border Security; they include Textiles; they include all kinds of trade areas including steel, including energy, including just about – you name it – there’s a working group that is redefining our laws to become tri-lateral. They’re forming “memorandums of understanding” on tri-lateral agreements. They’re fundamentally knitting together the U.S., Canada and Mexico into one structure. And this is the plan to create a North American Union. They’ve announced they’re going to do it by 2010. There’s even going to become a new currency. It’s going to be the “Amero” – the A-M-E-R-O. And Chuck, instead of having a U.S. passport in your wallet, you’re going to have a North American Union passport. And so is every Mexican and every Canadian.

CB: Well this, what you are saying, to me sounds like we are erasing the borders between the three countries

JC: That’s right. That’s the plan. The core issue that Pres. Bush has agreed to, Chuck, is to erase the border with Mexico and to erase the border with Canada.

I got into this because I had been writing, just finished, with Jim Gilchrist the founder of the Minutemen. We have a new book. It’s called “Minutemen: the battle to secure America’s Borders”. [You can see] it at Amazon. It’s in “pre-orders” and will be out in July. And we could not answer the question, why Pres. Bush would not secure our borders. He’s refused. Then we come across this SPP – the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement. And what’s made clear is that Pres. Bush has already agreed to erase the border. That’s why it’s not going to be secured: it’s going to be erased!

Every Mexican is going to be able to, if they want to, like Vicente Fox said, when he was last here, they’re going to be North American Union Citizens, so of course there’s another 30 million want to live in the United States, they’ll be entitled to and receive all our benefits just as they do now including welfare and having their children educated, and using the hospitals – whatever. And Pres. Bush has agreed to it. If you’ll just take a look at the sites that I’m linking to, in these articles I’m writing in Human Events Online, World Net Daily.com you’re gonna see how active the government is at work at this. SPP.gov is a critical website.

CB: Right. Now you mentioned a minute ago that we are in the SPP now. Now, explain this. Because I don’t recall that Congress has debated this or has made any kind of decision on this. I haven’t heard that there’s been any legislative deliberation on any of this. How can the United States be part of a regional tri-lateral regional government when our legislative bodies have not even acted upon it.

JC: Well that’s a very good question. And what I’m saying is that once this agreement was signed in Waco, Texas – which amounts legally to nothing more than a press release – our government has acted to create these SPP offices (Security and Prosperity Partnership). And the declaration is that we are in the Security and Prosperity Partnership. We’re already forming this SPP structure with Mexico and Canada. If you look at SPP.gov, you can click – they’ll give you links – you can see an SPP.gov website in Canada: the Canadian government, you can see one in the Mexican government. And there’s a bunch more. There’s also Export.gov; it’s got the SPP kind of graphics behind it, and it’s another whole office devoted to international trade – it’s part of this new SPP/Security and Prosperity Partnership structure that we are currently in, even though our Congress knows nothing about it.

CB: So this is being done by executive “fiat”.

JC: That’s right. It’s almost as if Pres. Bush has decided to stage a coup through the Executive Branch; to basically create a new government that supercedes the United States of America and not tell anybody about it, and not bring it forward to Congress, not to give it in any speeches. And, Chuch, it makes me remember these old movies like “Seven Days in May” – if you remember – when Kennedy was President. This is like takeovers from within the government. And the American people don’t know anything about it.

CB: Are there any Congressmen that you know of that are remotely aware of this.

JC: Yes. Congressman Tancredo has gotten extremely upset about this and is calling for an investigation. And I’m now starting to get calls from the Congressional committees who are following my research. Yesterday we filed a “Freedom of Information Act” request – I did – with SPP.gov and the Dept. of Commerce, and they’ve acknowledged that they’ve gotten it – and I called up Jeri Word, who heads that section in Commerce. He heads up the SPP.gov office which is part of the office of NAFTA within the Dept. of Commerce. And I asked her where the names were published of the people who were on these committees. And she said they weren’t published. I said – she said they didn’t want to be having these people bothered by a lot of calls. I said, “well it’s their job to be bothered. They’re government officials. And secondly, I said, “where are these ‘memorandum of understanding’ and ‘working agreements’ that you describe the ‘working groups’ are producing with Mexico and Canada?” Well they too “have never been published”. So my “Freedom of Information Act” request which is in Worldnet Daily.com today – it describes how we filed that – now they’re going to have to come forward with the information on what is the work projects, who’s on these committees and what are they doing?

CB: Well if this new entity has taken shape to the degree that you’re describing it, there must be leadership already established. Do you have the names of who the leaders are from the United States relative to this new SPP?

JC: Well you can take a look at the names who are on that “Task Force” from the Council on Foreign Relations. Clearly one of the leaders – the intellectual leader of the whole movement – the Vice Chairman of that committee – that “Task Force” for the Council on Foreign Relations, is Robert Pastor. Now he’s a professor at American University and he’s been writing for a dozen years about the need to create a North American Union. He’d like to create a Hemisphere government. I think Robert Pastor would like to have a one-world government.

CB: Right.

JC: And in his writings he constantly talks about the United States as if we were arrogant and overpowering and need to be put in our place. He wants the North American Union to have a strong Court, have a strong Parliament, and have a strong Executive, so that the United States will not dictate to this North American Union when it’s formed. We’re going to dictated by Canada and Mexico, evidently.

CB: Well now I thought I remembered reading somewhere in one of your articles that there were three leaders selected from each of the three countries…

JC: Oh yes, now the heading – the SPP.gov; if you take a look at that and [refer] to the leaders on the left, there are three cabinet members right now heading all these working groups. They are: Secy. Gutierrez, of the Commerce, Secy. Rice, head of State, and Secy. Chertoff, Dept. of Homeland Security. These “committees” report to the three of them. And their counterparts at the Cabinet level in Mexico and in Canada. This is a Cabinet level operation going on in SPP.gov creating all the regulations for North American Union.

CB: You know Jerry, one of the things I find fascinating about all this is the claim and the reputation of Pres. Bush as a conservative and even as a Christian. And myself, being a Christian pastor and – you know – I’ve read what so may people have said about Pres. Bush and I hear their defense of him as a conservative and as a Christian and so forth; and yet what you are describing here is one of the most radical – dare I use the word “liberal” concepts. To imagine any president having the audacity to – on his own authority, with no input from our Congress of any sort – to push forward with a tri-lateral regional government, committing the three nations to a collectivism is – you know – it’s almost indescribable. How do you in your own research compute all of this? I mean, you wrote the best-seller about John Kerry – you went through all of that election process of the liberal versus the conservative, etc. And now here we are with the supposed conservative president, the supposed Christian president apparently leading our Country into a merger with a North American Union. How does that compute with you?

JC: I don’t see any strong evidence that Pres. Bush is truly a conservative. I mean, I’ve been saying this since the Harriet Myers presidency; ever since he nominated Harriet Myers to the Court. And I got into that one as you’ll recall, Chuck, and I showed that Harriet Myers was his cover-up lawyer within the Texas Lottery Commission scandals that ultimately led to Ben Barnes; and why that George Bush has been telling for a long time about his National Guard service – at the Air Force service at the Air National Guard in Texas. And I put that all out there and Harriet Myers withdrew her nomination.

I was all over Dubai Ports; and I think I’ll work here to the explanation that I believe is true: Dubai Ports gives about 300 million dollars a year to invest with the Carlisle Group. I’ve been writing about this in World Net Daily as well. The Carlyle Group is very connected with the Bush family – it’s at Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington. It’s one of the largest private investment capital groups in the United States. Now that Group has paid Bush’s father, a consultant, and they just put a Group together in Mexico to invest the Carlyle Group in Mexico, which of course also probably will use some of that Dubai money – who knows. And that Group in Mexico for Carlyle s going to be headed by Mark McClarty. Mark McClarty is Kissinger Associates. He was also Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff. And if you follow the money here – which is what I’ve been doing – Bill Clinton has also been paid lots of money by Dubai. He’s gotten speaking engagements – over 300 thousand dollars worth in the last year or two – from Dubai. Dubai has invested in Bill Clinton’s Library.

Dubai has also put money into Neil Bush. He’s the renegade Bush brother who broke Silverado Bank in Colorado. Now he’s got a new computer company for schools. And the two states that he’s operating in primarily are Florida where Jebb Bush is governor, in Texas, where the Bushes have their primary connections. And one of his chief financial backers – for Neil Bush – is Dubai. So there’s an awful lot of money connected here, and so far as I can tell, both Bush and Clinton – in fact both Bushes – have been on this NAFTA international, regional government, world government idea for some time. They’ve just never had the courage to come forward and tell the American people explicitly that’s what they’re doing.

CB: You know, Jerry, as a Christian pastor I’m very much aware of what the scripture teaches in this regard and I would like to think that the people in this audience have been taught by their pastors and by their churches as to what is the spiritual ramification and so forth. Certainly they must have some kind of a background in these kind of doctrines. From that perspective – those of us who are studied in the scriptures know that any attempt to merge nations into global government – whether it’s regional or more than that – is satanic in nature. It’s unbiblical. It’s unchristian. No true believer would want to be a part of an effort such as this. How do you find those who are among the conservative Christian – the so-called “religious right” – how do they respond to this evidence and this information as you bring it forth?

JC: Well I think, Chuck, that there’s going to be an uproar about this; why there’s a firestorm going to go on about this on talk radio and the internet right now, and it’ll get over to the mainstream media pretty soon. The United States of America was founded as a unique country. That’s what Abraham Lincoln said, “a unique experiment”: to declare that human beings have inalienable Rights which are granted by God; and to form a government of self-governance; the people – the middle class – are made to be the rulers. What these world governments believe – why they so hate the United States – is that, you know, the World Trade Organization, the United Nations; they say all our “human rights” are declared by Man. And as such, they can be revised or taken away. And secondly, whenever you look at the U.N. and all these other organizations, it’s not “of the People, by the People and for the People”. It’s “of the elite, by the elite and for the elite”. And if you’re not one of the elite: too bad.

The problem with both the Bushes and the Clintons – and I’ve been very critical of both families in this for a long time – is that, you know, I guess it changes a person’s mind when you’re looking at the one million dollars coming to you. Neither one of these families, except for their politics and their roots in politics, have any independent sources of wealth, and evidently it was important to both families to have it. And if you get that kind of desire in your mind, there’s plenty of international capital groups around the world. How much money, Chuck, do you think is going to be made changing the United States into the “North American Union”? How much money is going to be made breaking our Union?

And that’s what this trans-America highway – I’ve been writing about what this NAFTA freeway is all about.

CB: Yea, tell us about that real quickly.

JC: Well you’ve got to go to Nascocorridor.com – that’s www.nascocorridor.com and you’re going to see the plan to take I-35 – and next to it, parallel to it – to build a new NAFTA super highway that’s 4 football fields wide. That would be 1200 feet across. It’s going to have 5 lanes in each direction for passenger and trucks; it’s going to have train lines; it’s going to have pipelines for energy and oil. It’s going to go right through the heart of the United States. And the “Trans-Texas Corridor” part of it is ready to be started next year. The contracts have already been given out on it. Ergo look at the TransTexas Corridor site. It’s called www.keeptexasmoving.com. And when you read these plans – what they’re gonna do is start next year – is - the plan is to open up Larezo-Cardenas, which is a port in the Baja in Mexico, so you don’t have to bring these goods in anymore through Los Angeles and Long Beach. When you bring them in on the west coast – these cheap good from China (that are gonna end up in Walmart) that are put into container ships – 4000 or more containers on a ship – and instead of unloading the in Los Angeles and Long Beach and paying the Longshoremen they’ll take them to the Baja, to Larezo-Cardenas and have Mexican dock workers unload them.

Then they’re gonna put those goods on Mexican trucks; they’re gonna put ‘em on Mexican trains – no United Transportation workers, no Teamsters; and they’re gonna bring them up through Laredo, Texas into the NAFTA Super Highway. The NAFTA Super Highway is gonna have like a “speed bump” at the border. Look at SPP.gov, they’ll tell you it’s gonna be a fast lane; a Sentry Electronics system. Nobody’s gonna look at the containers inside them. If that Mexican truck is on the list, it’ll pass at 10 seconds or less at the border. The only Customs office being planned of any significance is in Kansas City. Kansas City is going to put in a Mexican Customs operation. And when those trucks come back to Mexico loaded with scrap metal or whatever they’re going to take back to China – still more cheap goods – then they can pass through Mexican Customs in Kansas City and not be bothered at the border going back into Mexico.

CB: Incredible! This explains doesn’t it then why the president is ignoring opinion polls and outrage from his own party, to go ahead and promote this amnesty program.

JC: Well Pres. Bush has agreed to erase the border with Mexico. He’s agreed to it in a variety of ways: one; take a look at SPP.gov. Everybody’s going to get a “North American Border Pass”, including in Mexico, and a Bio-Metrics Card. And with that your crossing the border is going to just as easy as going through one of these easy-pass lanes on the freeways today. You’ll just drive by and electronically you’ll be in the United States. That’ll be any Mexican that’s issued that because they’re all now citizens of the North American Union. There will be no more illegal immigration.

And the same with the trucks and the transportation. Cause you’ll have Mexican trucks, Mexican trains. You can just go by the border in these fast speed lanes just the same and nobody will bother them either. The whole idea is to erase the border. The only borders we’re going to protect, according to the Security and Prosperity Partnership – and it says this explicitly both on the SPP.gov website and in the Council on Foreign Relations report – that “Task Force” report, “Building a North American Community” – the only border we’re going to protect is the border around North America, around Canada, around the United States, and around Mexico.

CB: Right.

JC: But between them the borders are going to be erased: no more border with Mexico or Canada of any significance.

CB: So the passport you’re speaking of really is more of a national ID Card for the three countries now merged into one.

JC: You betcha; it’ll become the super real ID. It’ll become the North American Union real ID. Biometrically engineered. You hear the President talking about this too. Well it’s right there in the SPP.gov document. And that’s going to be issued to every Mexican as well as every Canadian.

CB: With a common currency, the Amero…

JC: The Amero. They’re going to have one common currency. They’re going to be first, citizens of North America, and, second, citizens of the United States, citizens of Canada and citizens of Mexico.

CB: It won’t matter what our Legislature says or does. And what about our Supreme Court? Will they have any – or any of our court systems – will they have any influence on any of this?

JC: It’ll just be like Europe: Our Supreme Court will have to implement the decisions of the North American Union court. And right now we’ve got these Chapter 11 NAFTA Tribunals that I’ve been writing about, where an investor in Canada or Mexico can sue a state – or the United States if they believe one of our laws violates their business interests under NAFTA. The Tribunal is a secret Tribunal. And, when it rules, its ruling – under NAFTA – has to be imposed on our courts including the Supreme Court. And that the United States of America – the taxpayers – will have to pay millions of dollars in damages both defending those suits, and paying damages that the investor in Canada and Mexico – that those Tribunals say they’ve been damaged. That’s already in existence.

CB: Jerry, thank you very much. I know we’re out of time for you today. And we look forward to having you on the program again. And thank you for all of the tremendous research you’re doing, and the information that you’re providing the American people. Thank you very much for being on my program today. I thank you so much and God bless you. We look forward to talking with you again.

JC: It’s an honor to be with you.

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